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McGill: Consequences to raising teacher pay

Posted: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 5:32 pm

State Sen. Shadrack McGill defended a pay raise his predecessors in the Legislature passed, but said doubling teacher pay could lead to less-qualified educators.

At a prayer breakfast in Fort Payne this week, McGill was asked about the death of a defendant in the public corruption trial that was scheduled to begin Monday. Ray Crosby, a former legislative employee, was facing one count of bribery in federal court.

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  • lmoncrief posted at 9:31 am on Thu, Aug 23, 2012.

    lmoncrief Posts: 1

    I disagree for the most part on Senator McGill's opinion here, but the pay scales are somewhat off balance in this state and even worse depending on the school system one is employed in. We were told by an AEA employee/lobbyist at our latest In-Service that the AEA would be trying to get TEACHER payraises this year. First of all, with no offense intended toward any certified teachers, I think teachers can withstand another two to three years as is. It is the support personnel that have been suffering for years with very low, and even below poverty level, payrates. Before any rebuttals are raised, I realize from working with teachers and administration personnel that there are occasional aides and others who are "lazy". By the same argument, occasional certified personnel are lazy with tenure as well. By saying "support personnel" I mean any employee that is not a certified teacher. Nine hundred dollar per month paychecks hardly pay the rent,motgage, medical, auto loan, student tuition, emergency, grocery, and elderly parental care bills every month.

    Please,

    Governor Bentley:
    State Senators:
    House of Representatives:
    AEA:
    Lobbyists:

    work to get substantial payraises for support personnel across the state. Three percent raises help us very little with medical insurance increases, local occupational taxes, raising children, and increasing sales taxes. We can benefit more from a lump sum payment of five to ten thousand per year. Three percent means substantially more to a certified teacher making 25,000 to 45,000 per year than poverty level support people.

    Sincerely and from experience..

     
  • lizzy posted at 10:10 pm on Tue, Feb 14, 2012.

    lizzy Posts: 1

    Many of the protestant churches preach against education. Of course the minister usually has a doctorate from some non accredited institution because he likes the sound of being called doctor. Whether or not teaching is a calling, there is no way anything we do at this point can worsen the education product that we have in the US today. Iraqi kids in bombed out structures sneaking to gather for class do better scholastically by far than we do and it's not because of money or lack of money, it's the respect they have for learning and teachers. We have demoralized the American teacher by making him and her beg for decent wages while we hand them our problem children, either ruined by indulgences or destroyed by christian values of sparing the rod and spoiling the child. Then when the teacher attempts to assert his or expertise, we bully them. It's a wonder teachers don't jump out windows more often. Oh but it's a calling and apparentlyShadrack Tebow McGill is also conduit between the Almighty and us. He is no different all the other narcissistic personalities with weird, bizarre ideology. He showing his constituents for the backwards gulled hominidia that they are. He is making fools of them with a colgate, soiopathic smile on his face. Show us how pure the simple life can be Shad and go without money, the fancy mansion, the free this and that and the media.

     
  • truthandpeace posted at 5:17 pm on Fri, Feb 10, 2012.

    truthandpeace Posts: 573

    jim posted at 8:25 am on Fri, Feb 10, 2012.
    • “I am a Republican and proud of it.”
    • Those who allow those who VALIDATE their PREJUDICES and HATES do their thinking for them are Proud of supporting those who have Financially and Morally Bankrupted this Nation, while ROBBING the Middle Income Workers of this Nation, aren’t they jim?
    I’m a Social Liberal and a FISCAL Conservative as was the Founding Fathers and Proud of that FACT, while Conservative Republicans are FISCAL LIBERALS, with their BORROW and Spend, “VOODOO” Economic Policies and Social Conservatives, matter of Fact every Republican that has become President of the United States, after President Dwight Eisenhower have Plagiarized the Social Conservative Policies of former Alabama Governor George Wallace, which was able to win the “Southern Voters” to support the Republican Corporate Agenda, and it has been very effective, hasn’t it jim?
    You are aware that during Christ time of walking upon this Earth, Publicans were TAX COLLECTORS and took BRIBES from those RICH Enough to BRIBE them to LOWER their TAXES, and 2000 years later, Re-Publicans are BRIBED by the RICH to LOWER their TAXES, and how somebody could be Proud of such actions, can be charged to GREED or IGNORANCE, which is the case with you jim?
    • “I am glad my "Party" stands for something other than the give away welfare democrats that currently are in the White House.”

    • The FACT is President Obama doesn’t legislate that’s the authority granted to members of the U. S. Congress, and with Republicans controlling the U. S. House of Representatives, and the U. S. Constitution requiring ALL Revenue Bills ORIGINATE in the U. S. House of Representatives would reveal to an Intelligent, Honest person, who is actually in charge of the “Purse Strings” of the United States of American and it isn’t President Obama and Democrats, is it jim?

    The FACT is the RICH receive More Welfare from the U. S. Government than the Poor and NEEDY receive from the U. S. Treasury, and the same is TRUE about Corporations, the receive More Corporate Welfare than the Poor and NEEDY receive from the U. S. Treasury.

    For instance the Koch Brothers were able to not pay the U. S. Government more than $600 MILLION in Federal Income taxes the last two years, because the Bush/Cheney administration and their Republican controlled Congresses gave the Rich and their Corporate Campaign Contributors the FIRST TAX CUT in the history of the United States while American Troops were engaged in fighting an American War on Foreign Soil, with their 1.5% tax cut in 2001 and their 3% Tax cut in 2003, I’m sure you are Proud of the Priorities of those Republican Politicians who showed their ONLY Priority was to their Corporate Campaign Contributors even as those Republican Law Makers REFUSED to furnish the American Troops they sent of invade Iraq with the proper equipment to Protect them while they were in HARMS WAY. That cost the Lives of more than 4,500 American Troops in Iraq and left more than 30,000 American Troops MAIMED and INJRED in the Iraq War, and those Republican Lawmakers were more interested in giving their Corporate Campaign Contributors TAX CUTS than furnish those American Troops with the Proper equipment and to think those Republican Lawmakers and their Supporters consider themselves to be “American Patriots, don’t they jim?
    • “I worked hard all my life and nothing was ever given to me, nor did I ask for anything. All the "Democrats" want to do is tax the working class to death and give it to the lazy ones who want a free ride.”

    You have been mis-informed as the TRUTH is 100% of the Wealth of this Nation is created by the Hourly Workers of the United States, while those Corporate Executives are PAID OBSCENE Amounts of Money, and they create ZERO Percent of the Wealth of this Nation, indicating you started wit a FALSE PREMISE, which led you to a FALSE CONCLUSION, doesn’t it jim?

    The TRUTH is I started carrying the Newspaper as soon as I was 12 years old and have NEVER received any Government handouts, and that was more than 60 years ago. Jim.

    The First Republican President, Abraham Lincoln was intelligent enough to know the following is true as that is what he told the American people about 150 years ago: Without Labor, there can be NO CAPITAL, too bad modern day Republicans refuse to admit that FACT isn’t it jim?
    The following statement defines modern day Republicans, doesn’t it jim?
    “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy: that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.”–John Kenneth Galbraith, economist and adviser to F.D.R., Truman, J.F.K. & L.B.J.
    Too bad those you allow to do your thinking for you are honest enough to tell you the TRUTH, isn’t it jim?
    Have A Great Weekend!

     
  • jim posted at 8:25 am on Fri, Feb 10, 2012.

    jim Posts: 47

    I am a Republican and proud of it. I am glad my "Party" stands for something other than the give away welfare democrats that currently are in the White House. I worked hard all my life and nothing was ever given to me, nor did I ask for anything. All the "Democrats" want to do is tax the working class to death and give it to the lazy ones who want a free ride.

     
  • truthandpeace posted at 3:08 am on Fri, Feb 10, 2012.

    truthandpeace Posts: 573

    jim posted at 6:32 pm on Thu, Feb 9, 2012
    • “truthandpeace you sound like a typical democrat. You can't stand to loose.”
    While you being a Republican, believe those CARPERTBAGGER Republicans and Scalawags was good for Alabama and the other Southern States about 140 years ago, as you worship the Carpetbagger Republicans and their Scalawags, in Alabama, who are Destroying the Economics of the State of Alabama, as did those Republican Carpetbaggers of about 40 years ago, as their GOALS are the same, ravage the Economics of the State of Alabama, to ENRICH themselves. The pathetic thing about that, is you seem to be Proud, of those Republican Carpetbaggers of today, aren’t you jim?

    The REAL LOSERS with those Republican Carpetbaggers in charge of running and RUINING the State of Alabama are the TAX PAYERS of Alabama, while the Corporate Campaign Contributors are REAPING all of the benefits from the Actions of those Carpetbagger Republicans, aren’t they jim?
    Have A Great Day!

     
  • jim posted at 6:32 pm on Thu, Feb 9, 2012.

    jim Posts: 47

    truthandpeace you sound like a typical democrat. You can't stand to loose.

     
  • truthandpeace posted at 8:26 pm on Sat, Feb 4, 2012.

    truthandpeace Posts: 573

    RobertC posted at 12:41 pm on Fri, Feb 3, 2012.

    “As you said, it's the first time in 136 years that Republicans have controlled the Legislature in Alabama.”

    It took 136 years for those Yankee Carpetbaggers to convince the Voters of Alabama, they needed to Elect more Carpetbaggers, to RUN and RUIN the State of Alabama, and those Carpetbagger KNAVES, after 136 years were able to DECEIVE the Voters of Alabama, (with the Corporate Campaign Contributions, to those Republican Politicians they purchased, not only in Alabama, but Wisconsin, Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Florida and Arizona,) after the Republican controlled U. S. Supreme Court made it Legal for Corporations to contribute UNLIMITED AMOUNTS of Money to the Politicians they wanted to Purchase, as their INDENTRURED SLAVES. The Republican controlled U. S. Supreme Court rendered their Decision, January 2010, and by January 2011, Corporations had been able to Purchase the Governorship and State Legislatures of Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, Florida and Arizona, so those Corporations seized their Opportunity to Purchase their INDENTURED SLAVES at the first election after that Decision, that further CORRUPTED the Politics in every State in the United States of America, and the Koch Brothers who has a COMBINED Wealth of $50 BILLION, is spending $200 MILLION, in the 2012 Election Cycle, so they can Purchase even more Politicians. Power Corrupts, Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely.

     
  • truthandpeace posted at 1:24 am on Sat, Feb 4, 2012.

    truthandpeace Posts: 573

    Mysterion posted at 12:37 pm on Thu, Feb 2, 2012
    “This isn't a "liberal" concept, it's a fundamental Constitutional concept essential to the protection of liberty and religious freedom.”

    With so many people calling those who believe the Constitution of the United States is the Law of the Land, “Liberals”, and with those Founding Fathers being Liberals, who sacrificed their Fortunes and some of them their Lives to secure for them and their Posterity the FREEDOMS and RIGHTS they penned in the U. S. Constitution, while the Conservatives of their day wanted to remain Loyal to the BRITISH CROWN, a person should be Proud they are a Liberal, shouldn't they Mysterion?

    Those Founding Fathers were not only Liberals, they were radical enough to fight the British to secure for them and every American Citizen the FREEDOMS and RIGHTS they wrote in the Constitution of the United States, so today’s Liberals aren’t as Radical as those Liberal, Radical Founding Fathers, are they Mysterion?

     
  • elligray2010 posted at 11:55 pm on Fri, Feb 3, 2012.

    elligray2010 Posts: 5

    cj4bama, read what you just quoted. How about reading the ENTIRE First Amendment. Do you know what "no law respecting an establishment of religion" even means? It means a government actor like McGill isn't supposed to establish policy about citizens' retirement on when he believes the rapture is coming. As a citizen, he's free to exercise whatever religious beliefs he sees fit, but as a government actor with a responsibility to serve ALL the citizens in his district, it's inappropriate for him to assume that everyone believes as he does and to therefore go full tilt making laws and policy based on scripture. THAT is what the Constitution says. You are free to exercise your religion but you are not free to establish a religion for everyone else, no matter how correct and righteous you believe yourself to be.

     
  • truthandpeace posted at 8:57 pm on Fri, Feb 3, 2012.

    truthandpeace Posts: 573


    alboy1000 posted at 10:14 am on Fri, Feb 3, 2012.

    "Things will get worst because the elected officials that came before spent and profited from their office while leaving the payments to us the current generation and our kids."

    How ingenious, that the elected officials in Washington DC, were so honest, and like a Fiscal Conservative, Paid the DEBTS they incurred in a timely manner, and the present administration incurred all of the $15 TRILLION, this Nation presently owes, and allowed those more than 12 MILLION ILLEGAL Immigrants to invade the Unted States, but the REpublicans elected to the Alabama Leguslature need years to Balance the State Budgets, and you certainly must not keep up with the NO-BID Contracts, Mr. Hubbard has received from his Political Cronies, that add up to MILLIONS of Dollars, but you defend those Politicians that VALIDATE your Prejudices and HATES, while you're selling your Birthright, the Birthrights of your children and Grancchildren to those who will VALIDATE your Prejudices and HATES. Who profits from such a scenario alboy1000?

     
  • truthandpeace posted at 8:46 pm on Fri, Feb 3, 2012.

    truthandpeace Posts: 573

    "no I am not his wife I am a constituent just like you I research and I educate myself before I start saying things that are un true ."

    At least the poster truth posted the TRUTH, they educate themself before they start saying things that are UN TRUE.

    Most people wouldn't admit they post untrue things to Forums, do they?

     
  • RobertC posted at 12:41 pm on Fri, Feb 3, 2012.

    RobertC Posts: 3

    Also, very good points, Mustask. As you said, it's the first time in 136 years that Republicans have controlled the Legislature in Alabama. Alabama has the very lowest taxes in the entire nation thanks to the leadership and policies of Democrats in the Legislature over the last century. And the Democrats always managed to find a way to make do with the funds Alabama had and balanced every budget as required by law. But now Republicans want to take say the problems under their leadership are not their fault. They try to take credit for Alabama's low taxes while at the same time claiming they have to cut OTHER people's pay while doing nothing about their own. And most of them ran on repealing their pay raise.

     
  • RobertC posted at 10:52 am on Fri, Feb 3, 2012.

    RobertC Posts: 3

    Didn't Shad say he was opposed to the legislative pay raise that he's now so happy to take? Until he was elected. And now he talks about what a hardship his job as a senator is. He has to pay for his own motel room and gas, etc., and if he didn't pocket the pay raise, he'd find it hard to resist "temptation" from lobbyists. He says "they" call it a part time job but it is full time to him. What's interesting is he's probably one of the only legislators who doesn't have another job. I listened to audio tape of Senator McGill that the Times-Journal linked to the story, and it's not surprising that McGill was thanking the crowd for paying their taxes. That's because 100 percent of McGill's income comes from state taxpayer dollars. He lives off the people but thinks God wants others to be paid less because they are "called" to their jobs. Was he not called to public office? Obviously not. Leaving his wife and children every week to go to Montgomery four months out of the year to serve in the Legislature wasn't a calling for him? But it is a full time job for him?

     
  • alboy1000 posted at 10:14 am on Fri, Feb 3, 2012.

    alboy1000 Posts: 2

    Things will get worst because the elected officials that came before spent and profited from their office while leaving the payments to us the current generation and our kids.
    There is not enough money. Do you want to pay more taxes? Or cut spending?

     
  • alboy1000 posted at 10:00 am on Fri, Feb 3, 2012.

    alboy1000 Posts: 2

    Shad is doing his best. He is not taking lobby money. I do believe his comment on pay was one sided. He was having a prayer breakfast to bring the public and government together to pray for the state. Al will have a $400m deficit this year. Shad believes in balanced budget, submission to God and accountability to Him, not taking money for his vote. The pay raise was brought into effect before he was in office. I think that there should be formula that all public employees pay is tied to and then everyone live within their means. Maybe you would like what we had before. Check his net worth compared to Shad's and Alabama's. Jobs are coming into this area as well. Shad will talk to you I go talk to him all the time. He may be a little gun shy though. The last teacher’s association meeting he was invited to he was treated roughly by most of those present: people speaking loudly to one another during his speech, coordinated shouting and chanting, and other poor behavior that I am sure would not be tolerated in the class room. There were a few teachers that came to shad and apologized to him for the others behavior. For the most part teachers that I know drive good cars, live in good homes, and enjoy good benefits and you have my thanks. Shad is trying to be a solution to the problems of the government not becoming a part of the system is why he gets bad press.

     
  • Maerzie posted at 2:33 am on Fri, Feb 3, 2012.

    Maerzie Posts: 3

    It looks as if Shadrack McGill also doesn't need such a big salary. Obviously, he wants the people who make "normal" incomes (NOT the enormous amounts and benefits of his political position) to vote him out because he has no clue what it means to WORK for a living alreadyt!

     
  • Ateacherwhoiscalledandhastopaybills posted at 11:19 pm on Thu, Feb 2, 2012.

    Ateacherwhoiscalledandhastopaybills Posts: 2

    People who choose to be stupid seldom like teachers and most of the time, they blame their teachers. How is a person like that a senator?! How can a person like Shadrack be in control of our livelihood and our future? That is terrifying. I am praying that his heart will soften and he will see the light.

     
  • Pat Lynch posted at 10:53 pm on Thu, Feb 2, 2012.

    Pat Lynch Posts: 1

    So being a teacher is a "calling," but being a lawmaker is not. How fortunate for those who get to make the money! For a biblical analysis of Rep. McGill's comments, try this out. http://wp.me/p270xt-1q Good reasonable commentary.

     
  • mustask posted at 8:40 pm on Thu, Feb 2, 2012.

    mustask Posts: 1

    This is the first time in 136 years that Republicans have been in power. I am sure they know they have a little weeding out to do. Give it until the next election.

    I would think people of faith would want to know Sen McGill's scriptural basis fo his comment. I would also like to know if elected officials are called to leadership.

    As a citizen, I have to wonder if Sen McGill is worth $50,000 for 11 weeks' work while the teachers in Alabama are the third lowest paid in the United States.

     
  • RoseannJo posted at 8:24 pm on Thu, Feb 2, 2012.

    RoseannJo Posts: 3

    He is an idiot and unfortunately his constituents are stuck with him until he can be voted out. Perhaps next time, voters will try to actually educate themselves and not just vote a straight Republican ticket. But I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for Alabamians to do anything that requires thinking skills!

     
  • truth posted at 6:44 pm on Thu, Feb 2, 2012.

    truth Posts: 43

    no I am not his wife I am a constituent just like you I research and I educate myself before I start saying things that are un true . Check out the sites where the bills are voted on . Listen to the sessions when they are down in Montgomery. The audio is live on the internet. Some like to speak before searching for the facts. It is fine to have an opinion . But to say his kids home school that is untrue . All I am saying there are two sides of the story. I have no problem getting an appointment neither does any of my friends who are teachers, nurses, public officials ,Doctors, Lawyers , and constituents It would be good if you would call him and make an appt. see for your self.

     
  • logic2 posted at 4:50 pm on Thu, Feb 2, 2012.

    logic2 Posts: 25

    Turth, You must be his wife. Educators have had meetings with him.I understand that he has not been very willing to meet and the meetings that have happen were full of rules.
    I have never liked being talked down to. That is the way he sounds when he throws out all the junk that comes out of his mouth. He does not know enough about what is going on to fool very many people.
    Also, all of my information does not come from newspapers. I get information from many sources. Except for you, the information is all same.
    The more I hear , the more I think he has a vendetta against college educated people, especialy teachers.

     
  • truth posted at 3:32 pm on Thu, Feb 2, 2012.

    truth Posts: 43

    Charrison you need to do some more homework his kids are in public school have been for 2 years . Do some reasearch and educate yourself!

     
  • truth posted at 3:24 pm on Thu, Feb 2, 2012.

    truth Posts: 43

    last time I checked most teachers had the summer off They too don't work a full year ! You need to educate yourself ! It would be good if you would arrange a meeting with him and voice all of your concerns and get the other side of the story ! Instead of reading it in the paper. I would hate to think our educators only depend on articles in the newspapers for the truth. Go meet with him !

     
  • River_Rat posted at 12:49 pm on Thu, Feb 2, 2012.

    River_Rat Posts: 216

    To cj4bama:
    I do not call myself a liberal but wikipedia has an informative page on the issue and history of separation of church and state:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state_in_the_United_States

     
  • JulieMacken posted at 12:49 pm on Thu, Feb 2, 2012.

    JulieMacken Posts: 1

    Sen. McGill to quote your recent asinine comments in defense of raising lawmakers pay and trivializing teachers and their worth:

    YOU SAID in reference to politicians: "He needs to make enough that he can say no, in regards to temptation. ... Teachers need to make the money that they need to make. There needs to be a balance there. If you double what you're paying education, you know what's going to happen? I've heard the comment many times, ‘Well, the quality of education's going to go up.' That's never proven to happen, guys.

    THE SAME ARGUMENTS CAN BE MADE ABOUT RAISING YOUR PAY AS WELL!!!!. The quality of politicians will not go up when you raise their pay. That’s has never been proven either, GUYS!!!!!!

    YOU SAID; "It's a Biblical principle. If you double a teacher's pay scale, you'll attract people who aren't called to teach.

    DOES THAT BIBLICAL PRINCIPLE APPLY TO POLITICIANS AS WELL ? OR DOES THIS JUST APPLY TO TEACHERS?

    YOU SAID: "That played into the corruption, guys, big time," he said. "You had your higher-ranking legislators that were connected with the lobbyists making up in the millions of dollars. They weren't worried about that $30,000 paid salary they were getting," McGill said, adding that lawmakers have to pay for their expenses out of pocket.

    WHAT ABOUT EXPENSES TEACHERS HAVE TO PAY OUT OF THEIR POCKET, (NOT FOR THEMSELVES, BUT FOR THEIR STUDENTS)?

    YOU SAID: "And these teachers that are called to teach, regardless of the pay scale, they would teach. It's just in them to do. It's the ability that God give 'em. And there are also some teachers, it wouldn't matter how much you would pay them, they would still perform to the same capacity.

    Ii say: And there are also some POLITICIANS, it wouldn’t matter HOW MUCH YOU PAY THEM, THEY WOULD PERFORM TO THE SAME CAPACITY-AMEN TO THAT!! I really think that is more often the case with a politician than a teacher.

    Sen. McGill, LOOK AT YOUR REASONING AND GRAMMAR. The argument you make can also be made against raises for you! I think you should have paid more attention to your teachers, your grammar reflects this.

    In the same regard Sen. McGill, if you double a politicians pay then you’ll attract people who aren’t called to SERVE THE PEOPLE. Teachers TEACH Senator. McGill and with all due respect, that IS A FAR MORE DIFFICULT JOB THAT YOU WILL EVER DO OR KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT.

    Pay politicians more to keep them honest? Your comments and reasoning are ignorant and elementary. If fact, your pay should be lowered to a standard 10,000 per year and THEN we would see who is in it for the money!!

     
  • Mysterion posted at 12:37 pm on Thu, Feb 2, 2012.

    Mysterion Posts: 24

    You don't have to be "liberal" to believe in the concept of separation of church and state. The Jeffersonian Wall of Separation is clearly established by history, tradition, and law and it is present in the Constitution if one understands the material and how it evolved, especially in regard to the contributions of such primary Constitutional architects as Thomas Jefferson and James Madison. To say that the First Amendment guarantees "freedom of religion but not freedom from religion" is ludicrous. That implies a theocratic model of government, which is something the Founders resoundingly rejected. Most people point to certain things to "disprove" this, such as the incorporation of prayer into governmental proceedings and so forth. That's where people get hung up, because it's an entirely different issue. Jeffersonian separation has less to do with issues such as whether or not Congress should open sessions with prayer, for example, and much more to do with preventing elected representatives with strongly held religious viewpoints from imposing those views on their constituents or "hijacking" government to serve their own ends. This isn't a "liberal" concept, it's a fundamental Constitutional concept essential to the protection of liberty and religious freedom. If the Founders wanted this to be a "Christian nation" then they certainly had the opportunity to explicitly state this in the Constitution but they largely eschewed theocratic ideology for a number of reasons, including related problems that had arisen in the colonies, and the influence of progressive thinkers of the day such as John Locke. Many of the Founders (especially Madison and Jefferson) may have gravitated towards Deism, the belief that reason and observation of the natural world, without the need for organized religion, can determine that the universe is the product of an all-powerful creator. Deistic thinking helped instruct Enlightenment philosophy which, in turn, helped to instruct the philosophy of the Founders. To quote Jefferson, "the clergy, by getting themselves established by law and ingrafted into the machine of government, have been a very formidable engine against the civil and religious rights of man." Reading the Constitution is one thing, but understanding what it actually says is another altogether. The Founders chose an economy of words to eloquently express complex and revolutionary ideas.

     
  • Tcher Girl posted at 12:18 pm on Thu, Feb 2, 2012.

    Tcher Girl Posts: 3

    Justsayin11 like I said, I wish I could get $50,000 a year for a part-time job.

     
  • Tcher Girl posted at 12:06 pm on Thu, Feb 2, 2012.

    Tcher Girl Posts: 3

    TRUTH, You are so right, Senator Barron was in office when the pay raise was voted in but one of McGill's promises before becoming senator was getting rid of that pay raise. He actually called Barron out for it. What happened with that? He should practice what he preaches. State senators are considered part-time employees. Do you know how much a teacher would make for being a part-time employee? I can guarantee you there would be no benefits for any part-time teacher and they definitely wouldn't be paid $50,000.

     
  • cj4bama posted at 11:11 am on Thu, Feb 2, 2012.

    cj4bama Posts: 1

    For all you liberals out there, can you please show me where in the First Amendment the phrase "separation and church" is found? I can't seem to find it in my copy of the Constitution. See below.

    Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791.
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


    The founding fathers did not intend for God to be left out of our governing bodies. They simply did not want the government to establish a national religion requiring all Amercians to follow.
    The constitution does not afford you the right of freedom FROM religion, but the right of freedom OF religion. Don't take my word for it, look it up for yourself. I think we should all read the constitution and not rely on what someone says the constitution says.

     
  • Amanda posted at 8:33 am on Thu, Feb 2, 2012.

    Amanda Posts: 1

    I am ashamed Mr. McGill's teachers did not do a better job teaching him critical thinking skills and abstract reasoning! He should go stand in the shoes of any teacher for a day. He represents all that is wrong with our government today...NO FAITH, NO PRIDE, and makes NO INVESTMENT in children's education. Furthermore, I have missed the "Biblical principle" he speaks of that would go against teachers getting a raise! Correct me if I am wrong, Mr. McGill, but the First Amendment to the Constitution enforces "the seperation of church and state." So, please do not force your own religious beliefs on others or anyone else in the legislator body. It is simply unconstiutional. In closing, it is obvious you are a complete imbecile! Worse than that, you just lost my VOTE!

     
  • charrison posted at 7:35 am on Thu, Feb 2, 2012.

    charrison Posts: 1

    What do you expect from a man who homeschooled/s his kids and thinks that public education is formalized secular brainwashing?

     
  • Shamrock posted at 5:56 am on Thu, Feb 2, 2012.

    Shamrock Posts: 27

    Attention from another national source.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/01/1060862/-Open-thread-for-Night-Owls:-AL-senator-argues-raising-teacher-pay-is-against-Biblical-principle?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailykos%2Findex+%28Daily+Kos%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher

     
  • logic2 posted at 5:44 am on Thu, Feb 2, 2012.

    logic2 Posts: 25

    Everybody that I know that voted for him is now saying "What were we thinking?", What have we done?"
    Set his party back 100 years It's a shame.

     
  • Mysterion posted at 12:55 am on Thu, Feb 2, 2012.

    Mysterion Posts: 24

    Looks like this issue is getting attention on the national level:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/01/shadrack-mcgill-alabama-teacher-pay-bible_n_1247765.html

    Well, I'm sure all of this great publicity is really going to make business and industry leaders more likely to want to locate in Alabama, especially in the district represented by Sen. McGill. According to a comprehensive study released by Morgan Quitno Press in 2007, Alabama ranked as the "8th dumbest state" in the nation. And studies have shown that Alabama’s poor education is responsible for more than half of the state’s income gap compared to the rest of the nation:

    http://www.mainstreet.com/slideshow/lifestyle/smartest-dumbest-states


     
  • Mysterion posted at 12:30 am on Thu, Feb 2, 2012.

    Mysterion Posts: 24

    I have also now listened to the audio track on the newspaper's website and like others on this discussion board, I also fail to see how the newspaper distorted the facts or took anything Sen. McGill said "out of context."

    Also, the majority of those posting on this discussion board are taking issue with the policy positions and statements of an elected official. As voters and taxpayers, we have every right to be "judgmental" about the quality of representation by elected officials such as Sen. McGill. This isn't condemnation. It's civics. Equating dissent within the context of necessary and desirable public discourse to the crucifixion of Jesus is the height of aggrandizement and would seem to represent a bit of a persecution complex.

    Again, I don't think most of the commentators here are necessarily basing their opinions simply on this one article. Sen. McGill has repeatedly made comments and taken actions to suggest he is less than supportive of public education.

     
  • Independent posted at 11:47 pm on Wed, Feb 1, 2012.

    Independent Posts: 33

    Mr. McGill. Please take a bow. I have never seen and I mean NEVER seen so many comments on this "newspaper" website. Obviously you are doing something right. The "yellow dogs" are foaming at the mouth. After 135 years of control and the loss of their "Boss Hog" they are a little upset at being pulled from the teat. The AEA should be the next on the block. MAKE NO MISTAKE, Conduct yourself honorably and do right by the people of all your district, state and country and it will be remembered. There are people who will not ever give you a fair chance and they are lost. Pray for them. Thank you and keep up the good work. [beam]

     
  • truth posted at 9:29 pm on Wed, Feb 1, 2012.

    truth Posts: 43

    Hey 1234 Mr. McGill went to all the schools and handed out all the money you would not know because unlike the last senator he did not get his picture in the paper every time he handed out our money. I am sure if you would educate your self and call the schools or Senator Mc Gill's office they could tell you the date the school received it. There again some seem to comdem before they get the FACTS! )

     
  • dustinhbrock posted at 8:25 pm on Wed, Feb 1, 2012.

    dustinhbrock Posts: 1

    It is sad that we elected a man who thinks a teachers’ pay does not affect what type of people enter into the teaching field. It is almost like saying a church should not pay a preacher because he will do it anyway. I am not saying we must pay teachers outrageous salaries, but we should pay them an honest pay check for all the bureaucratic miss they deal with.

     
  • 1234 posted at 7:02 pm on Wed, Feb 1, 2012.

    1234 Posts: 17

    We shot ourselves in the foot when Barron did not get re-elected. Anyone noticed that Mcgill has not been around this county giving money to schools. Anyone noticed that Mcgill has not been around this county giving money for nothing. Thats becaust he does not know what to do with his new job. There you go i said it. He was not qualified for this job and was not even from this county. He cant get the money from the state like barron could because he is simply lost. Things are going to get worse here in good ole dekalb. All the things that we take for granit that barron did are long gone and, likely will never be seen again. Right now its our teachers that are suffering. Next it will be our roads or our utilities. Just wait. Democrat or Republican, we need to be voting for people like barron that are from right here. If Mcgill was intelligent enough to do a senators job and could get money from the state, he would spend it in marshall or jackson county.

     
  • Guest255 posted at 6:51 pm on Wed, Feb 1, 2012.

    Guest255 Posts: 3

    I just finished listening to the audio from the Q&A and I fail to see proof of statements taken out of context. I'm sorry, but the newspaper's quotes were spot on. Therefore, after hearing the story from his mouth, my opinion remains the same.

     
  • logic2 posted at 6:44 pm on Wed, Feb 1, 2012.

    logic2 Posts: 25

    Audio is on TJ website. Pretty much just like the reporter said. Just sounded more cocky in his real voice.

     
  • notateacher posted at 5:45 pm on Wed, Feb 1, 2012.

    notateacher Posts: 1

    I think it is very sad that we are having this discussion. Teachers are the most influential people in most kids lives and I can assure you they are not doing this thankless job for the rewarding salary. They are called to this profession because they have a love for kids and their futures and they invest themselves through their time, personal money, and love to shape and guide every child that comes into their lives. Their days are filled with little appreciation from the child or the parent and the countless times they are sneezed on, coughed on, and even thrown up on is worth far more than they will ever be paid. Senator McGill is wrong IF what the paper printed is correct and he should be ashamed for trying to make them feel their profession is not worthy of better pay.....and I'm quite certain that our Father in heaven might have raised his eyebrows over that remark as well. If better pay brings in teachers who are "not called" then so be it.....I'm betting they won't stay in the profession long because good pay or not you have to love being there to want to make it a career.

     
  • truth posted at 4:42 pm on Wed, Feb 1, 2012.

    truth Posts: 43

    he desinated the grant money to go to the teachers classroom instead of the slush fund that was being spent by the superintendent for what he wanted. McGill felt the classrooms needed more. He also voted not to allow Higher education Tec colleges or colleges to receive more funding than K thru 12 schools . All I am saying educate yourself! go get the video before you beleive a newspaper article or what someone is saying . there is TWO SIDES TO THE STORY.

     
  • just sayin11 posted at 4:29 pm on Wed, Feb 1, 2012.

    just sayin11 Posts: 1

    (@ tchergirl) A State Senator only makes about 50,000 a year.If you do an open records request you could figure it out for yourself...

     
  • logic2 posted at 3:45 pm on Wed, Feb 1, 2012.

    logic2 Posts: 25

    Tell me one thing that he has done in support of education.

     
  • Guest255 posted at 3:42 pm on Wed, Feb 1, 2012.

    Guest255 Posts: 3

    I would love to be able to debate this issue without someone comparing this to the crucifixion of Jesus. My concerns on this have absolutely nothing to do with his religious beliefs. This matter is about his comments regarding the state of our education system. That alone. And I would love to see the video - that would clear everything up once and for all. Looking forward to that being made available so that we can see the "truth." If it shows that everything he stated in this article was taken out of context, I will be the first to apologize.

    I would also like to add that standing up for what I believe in does not equate to judging. The Good Lord takes care of that for all of us. But our freedom to argue against what we disagree with is what makes America great.

     
  • truth posted at 3:19 pm on Wed, Feb 1, 2012.

    truth Posts: 43

    Oh about the pay raise for the senator It was voted in in 2007 you can thank senator Barron for that one !

     
  • truth posted at 3:14 pm on Wed, Feb 1, 2012.

    truth Posts: 43

    I would hope everyone did their homework and saw the video that was recorded at the meeting. I know I don't take the newspaper word. They are good to distort the truth to sell papers. This reminds me how people condemned a person that walked on this earth many years ago he was crucified ! I know if I was a teacher I would check out the video I think Scottsboro Cable has it I am sure you could get a copy of it from them. I sure would't condemn someone I would leave that up to God because we have to answer for actions!

     
  • Tcher Girl posted at 2:51 pm on Wed, Feb 1, 2012.

    Tcher Girl Posts: 3

    As a teacher I wish McGill would come and do my job for a few days and live on the take home pay I have after paying student loans. $65,000 dollars for benefits and pay. Guess how much of that is left after we pay our part for the "benefits"? Our once a month paycheck is very slim, less than almost anyone with the same degree. Enjoy your term SENATOR MCGILL because you will never have another. Thank the good Lord I didn't vote for you.

     
  • Guest255 posted at 2:40 pm on Wed, Feb 1, 2012.

    Guest255 Posts: 3

    Joke or not - his entire commentary is totally inappropriate and is a slap in the face to DeKalb County educators. We all know that "the State is broke" - which is exactly why we take offense to the legislator pay raise.

    "He needs to make enough that he can say no, in regards to temptation...." NO, McGill. He/she needs to have enough INTEGRITY to say no.

    1Voice - if you're trying to sway our opinion on the matter, I suggest that you not begin your argument with "You guys are idiots." If his entire conversation was taken out of context, we are eagerly awaiting his correction.

     
  • Mysterion posted at 12:42 pm on Wed, Feb 1, 2012.

    Mysterion Posts: 24

    1Voice....I'm not completely sure, but I don't believe that I'm an idiot. And I can usually see past my nose, though I do sometimes now need reading glasses to do so. And while many people here are commenting about the "rapture" comment this in and of itself is not the reason why so many people are speaking out against Sen. McGill and his political stances. It's a bit of a stretch to say that this is all just a joke on Sen. McGill's part, especially in light of past comments that Sen. McGill has made in the past concerning public education and public educators. There are many, many indications that Sen. McGill does not, in fact, support public education. Perhaps he's had an epiphany, like Paul on the road to Damascus, a change of heart, like the Grinch on Mount Crumpit. But if it's true that Sen. McGill's heart has grown three sizes, perhaps you could point me to Sen. McGill's comprehensive education plan. You know, the one that isn't simply based on the Biblical principal that it would somehow be an affront to God to increase teacher's pay but yet a blessing from Jesus to raise the pay of legislators?

    Also, there is only one "e" in economic, but I'm sure this was simply a typo on your part. Still, before you go calling other people on this board idiots, you might want to check your own spelling and grammar. People who live in glass houses and so on and so forth. Plus, name calling is bad manners. I'm fairly sure that's some sort of Biblical principle.

     
  • UhOhSpaghetti-O posted at 11:56 am on Wed, Feb 1, 2012.

    UhOhSpaghetti-O Posts: 1

    It appears Mr. Shadrack wasn't called by GOD to be a legislator... If it's a BIBLICAL principle that spending more money on teachers will make people who aren't called to teach want to become teachers, the EXACT same is true for legislators. Defending that raise just means God did not intend for you to represent anything other than your own SELFISH INTERESTS!! Time for you to GO HOME!

     
  • ObviousRock posted at 11:23 am on Wed, Feb 1, 2012.

    ObviousRock Posts: 1

    Shadrack,

    I applaud your honesty, even though it fully exposes a disturbingly addled thought process.

     
  • AubieGirl posted at 11:20 am on Wed, Feb 1, 2012.

    AubieGirl Posts: 8

    This man is NOT in support of teachers. His voting history has already proven that. My question is "Do we have to wait till the next election?" How do we get him out of Montgomery? We have been embarrassed enought already, and I can only imagine what the next three years will bring.

     
  • 1 Voice posted at 10:55 am on Wed, Feb 1, 2012.

    1 Voice Posts: 1

    You guys are idiots! You obvisiously cant see past your nose!!! The paper totally took his comments out of context which they always do. Their main objective is to sell more papers. Mr. Clemons totally twisted what Senator McGill said. He was meaning that the legislature had a tough job ahead of them during the upcoming session, his joke implied that it might be easier for the rapture to take place than to fix the economice problems and balance the budget in our state. I know Senator McGill and know that he will be working hard to meet the needs of the teachers and public employee's. He is for the teachers and the support workers geting a raise and I know that he plans to vote in favor of it. But come on people money dosent' grow on trees. THE STATE IS BROKE!!!!!! It's going to take a little time to fix some of the problems in our state.

     
  • Garry Morgan posted at 8:24 am on Wed, Feb 1, 2012.

    Garry Morgan Posts: 4

    There are many religious values which serve our community and nation well, such as the 10 Commandments. Our nation and citizens would be much better of if they would practice the 10 Commandments. The Golden Rule is another, "Do into others as you would have them do into you."

    When a politicians says, I deserve my pay raise but teachers do not deserve a raise something is wrong with that persons reasoning. To further the politician' s justification he says, ""It's a Biblical principle. If you double a teacher's pay scale, you'll attract people who aren't called to teach," Senator Shad McGill.

    What Biblical principle is that Senator McGill? I guess it is the one which says Shad McGill deserves more money but teachers do not. McGill justifies his pay increase by saying, " by paying legislators more, they're less susceptible to taking bribes." It seems McGill is saying politicians are crooks.

    Senator Shad McGill wears his religious affiliations on his collar when it benefits Shad McGill. The sooner this Republican extremist is out of office the better off the citizens will be.

     
  • Guest posted at 5:52 am on Wed, Feb 1, 2012.

    Guest Posts: 13

    What an idiot!!!!! I would love for him to trade places with a teacher for a year....pay included! Teachers spend more time doing paperwork (for the government) than actually on instruction! The students are disrespectful and undisciplined. If you didn't really love teaching you would not be able to do it in the first place! He will not get my vote next election....oh wait, he didn't get it the last one!

     
  • Mysterion posted at 10:14 pm on Tue, Jan 31, 2012.

    Mysterion Posts: 24

    So, let me get this straight. If we pay teachers more, we will actually get less qualified teachers who are only in it for the money. BUT...if we pay them the same or (even better!) less then we will end up with better teachers because they are doing it because they are called by God to do so and don't care at all about the money, only about the children. Legislators, on the other hand, need more money so that they can avoid the devilish temptation of corruption. Of course, those teachers called by God will probably be more likely to throw out all that separation of church and state garbage and teach only Bible-based lessons about the rapture. No room for any of that evolutionary theory nonsense or any of those Satanic sciences like biology or physics. Gravity is of the devil! So, yeah...I would say this is exactly what we need to attract more industry and business into our area and prepare our children for the future. Well, I guess the future doesn't really matter since we're all going to "get raptured out of here" pretty soon.

     
  • reason posted at 7:07 pm on Tue, Jan 31, 2012.

    reason Posts: 6

    Senators on the federal level make upwards of 150,000 dollars a year and all of them are indepently wealthy, yet all of them are swayed by lobbyists. There is no logic to be found in anything this pervert says.

     
  • reason posted at 7:03 pm on Tue, Jan 31, 2012.

    reason Posts: 6

    Seriously?! He wants to pay them just enough because they would do the job anyway? Shadrack has got to go. Whichever morons voted for this guy should be kicking themselves. Biblical balance... The way this guy melds religion with legislation has to be one of the most perverse things ive ever encountered. PERVERSE!!!

     
  • logic2 posted at 6:18 pm on Tue, Jan 31, 2012.

    logic2 Posts: 25

    So using his "logic" it is ok for him to make more for his part time job then teachers who have "the calling". Do these teachers not have families to take care of? I guess "the calling" means they only take care of children that belong to others. They spend their own money to buy for their classrooms because the state does not. I guess you could say "they pay their own expenses out of their own pockets". Unlike this man, many are still paying students loans with less pay.

     
  • ConcernedCitizen posted at 5:49 pm on Tue, Jan 31, 2012.

    ConcernedCitizen Posts: 16

    So using this moron's logic, we shouldn't pay lawyers $200 an hour. If they are really dedicated to the law they will be happy to do the job for $25the an hour. That is more than enough money for a person.

     

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