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Holy war hits Sylvania

Posted: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 4:38 pm

SYLVANIA – The Foundation for Moral Law’s founder said Wednesday the group is ready to defend Sylvania to allow Bible verses to remain on the town’s welcome signs.

FML Founder and President Roy Moore, former Alabama chief justice, told the Times-Journal the Freedom from Religion Foundation is incorrect in their assessment of the situation.

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  • Bandd posted at 9:11 am on Sun, May 20, 2012.

    Bandd Posts: 57

    Religion has no place in schools or government. You are free to believe what ever you want but to force it down people's throats shows a sick mentality. We have proven evolution and disproved everything in the man written story called the bible. At NACC you can't even fail a religious class because it's based on fiction and not facts.
    Religion and alcohol were only devised to control the masses.

     
  • truthandpeace posted at 2:13 pm on Fri, May 18, 2012.

    truthandpeace Posts: 573

    standginupforright posted at 10:50 am on Thu, May 17, 2012.

    “Matthew 10:33 says "But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven."

    Christ taught the following, that many people refuse to believe, isn’t that the TRUTH, standginupforright?

    Matthew 15, beginning with verse 7.

    7. Ye hypocrites, well did E-sai-as prophesy to you, saying.
    8. This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouths, and honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
    9. But in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

    Christ taught his followers in Matthew Chapter 7 beginning with verse 15.

    15. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves.
    16. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
    17. Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
    18. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
    19. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
    20. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
    21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

    “How can we dare think that we can sit back, allow God to be taken out of everything, and expect this country to thrive.”

    Christians only need to keep the teachings of Christ in their Hearts, and heed the teachings of Christ, that command them to TEACH his Gospel to the Entire World.

    There are some things a person can't FORCE another person to do, among those things, you can’t Force a person to Love you and you can’t force another person to be a Christian, as being a Christian requires obedience to the teachings of Christ, doesn’t it standginupforright?

    “I love my God and will not hesitate to say that we can't continue to allow His denial.”

    If you love God and his Son Jesus Christ, you will do as Christ taught his Followers to do, won’t you standginupforright?

    In Matthew Chapter 5, verse 16.

    16. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see you good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.


    It’s like President Abraham Lincoln stated many years ago, isn’t it standginupforright?

    Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God’s side, for God is always right.
    Abraham Lincoln

    Doesn’t that TRUTH make more sense than attempting to Force your beliefs on others, standginupforright?

    Have A Great Weekend!

     
  • truthandpeace posted at 1:41 pm on Fri, May 18, 2012.

    truthandpeace Posts: 573

    Mr_T_Bird posted at 5:26 pm on Wed, May 16, 2012

    “As for Moore the man is a sham someone that was ordered to do something by a Federal Judge, refused to do it and it cost him his seat on the Alabama Supreme Court.”

    Roy Moore copyrighted his Ten Commandments, and there’s no telling how much he made from selling his Ten Commandments.

    It was hypocritical of Roy Moore to display his Rock with the Ten Commandments on it, as the Ten Commandments plainly state in Exodus Chapter 20, Verse 4.

    4. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

    When Roy Moore made his copy of the Ten Commandments, he made a graven image, he worshipped and adored more than he cared about what those Ten Commandments stated, otherwise he wouldn’t have made him a graven image for him and others to worship, would he have Mr_T_Bird?

    “I wouldn't want Moore anywhere around me and he will cost Sylvania a lot of money when this thing goes to court.”

    While it will cost the TAX PAYERS of Sylvania a lot of money, Roy Moore will ENRICH himself from his actions in this matter, that’s for sure, isn’t it Mr_T_Bird?
    Roy Moore has used his hypocrisy about being a “Christian” to Profit himself, monetarily, and to win Political Elections, as Christ taught his followers,
    In Matthew Chapter 5, verse 16.

    16. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see you good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

    Roy Moore chose to show he was above not only the Laws of this Nation, but above the teachings of Christ, who taught his followers to teach his Gospel to every person, he NEVER taught his Followers (Christians) to FORCE his teachings on another person, and that was exactly what Roy Moore attempted to do when he placed his graven image of the Ten Commandments in on TAX PAYERS PUBLIC Property, and too many people chose to follow Roy Moore making the Ten Commandments his Idol, which violated the Ten Commandments Roy Moore and they claimed they Loved so much, how can people be so Blinded by their Prejudices and Hates, Mr_T_Bird?
    Roy Moore showing his Contempt and Hate for what the Founding Fathers wrote in the Constitution of the United States and for the Federal Court rulings, he took an oath to, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, and he actually chose to destroy the Sovereignty of the U. S. Constitution, he had taken the above oath, which reveals the TRUTH about the Character of Roy Moore and others who refuse to honor the oath of Office they were administered when they were inaugurated to their Office Of Public TRUST, that SPEAKS LOUDER Than their Rhetoric, doesn’t it Mr_T_Bird?

    Christ drove the Money changers from the Temple, and from Roy Moore’s actions he is emulating the practices of those Money changers, making a mockery of the teachings of Christ, isn’t that shameful of Roy Moore?

     
  • Mr_T_Bird posted at 1:32 pm on Fri, May 18, 2012.

    Mr_T_Bird Posts: 106

    Olaura: That he will I know one thing I'm not voting for Moore or anybody that believes that their personal beliefs over ride the law as Moore does.

     
  • olaura posted at 11:27 am on Fri, May 18, 2012.

    olaura Posts: 8

    Remember too, that Moore is running for election this year, he'll ride Sylvania into bankruptcy if he thinks it'll garner him the religious vote come November.

     
  • Mr_T_Bird posted at 1:00 am on Fri, May 18, 2012.

    Mr_T_Bird Posts: 106

    Equalrights: I'd honestly like to see them back down for the sake of the city but I don't see Moore letting them I think he will push them to fight it. I'd also like to see the council members held accountable and have to pay for the other parties legal fees out of their own pocket when they loose the case (and they will) for not at least putting it up for a vote of the community. Now if they had and when the city looses I'd say it rides with the city but otherwise it rides with the council members. I also wouldn't vote for any of the council members that are now talking about running or are running for mayor since they all voted to put the verse back up knowing full well it was against the 1st amendment.

     
  • Equalrights posted at 7:04 pm on Thu, May 17, 2012.

    Equalrights Posts: 11

    Ok, I'm curious. When this actually does go to court and if they lose, are you going to be upset that these board members cost the city a lot of money? Will you be complaining about the poor condition of the roads, etc?

    I fully expect them to either back down or lose the case.

     
  • Shamrock posted at 4:04 pm on Thu, May 17, 2012.

    Shamrock Posts: 27

    standingupforright, sorry my below link is not working properly or the Times Journal server is not reading it correctly. The link takes you to another David Barton at Wikipedia, but if you will go to Wikipedia and search for David Barton (author) you will have the correct page.

     
  • Ruth1940 posted at 3:51 pm on Thu, May 17, 2012.

    Ruth1940 Posts: 5

    They should have known it was inappropriate without a complaint. To try to skirt the intent of the law is dishonest.

    So many people mischaracterize the Constitution! (Some of the confusion may be because there WERE some state religions but no federal one until the Fourteenth Amendment required all levels of government to protect the federal freedoms.)

    The Supreme Court clarified it when it ruled unanimously in 1878 (Reynolds v United States) that "Laws are made for the government of actions, and while they cannot interfere with mere religious belief and opinions, they may with practices" else it would "permit every citizen to become a law unto himself. Government could exist only in name under such circumstances."

     
  • Mr_T_Bird posted at 3:22 pm on Thu, May 17, 2012.

    Mr_T_Bird Posts: 106

    David I can't remember is the sign in the right of way of 75? If it is they the city can't sell the land or lease it as it belongs to the state. However if they sold the sign to a private party they could move said sign to their property, install said sign out of the right of way but still visible from the road and problem is solved, but knowing Moore and how he feels he will push the town to actually fight this and it will end up loosing which the town will have to pay the attorney fees of the people that brought the suit which can amount to a very large sum of money.

     
  • Mr_T_Bird posted at 3:17 pm on Thu, May 17, 2012.

    Mr_T_Bird Posts: 106

    Standingupfront: Here is Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli ratified by the US Senate and signed by into law June 10, 1797 by John Adams 2nd president:
    ARTICLE 11.

    As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

     
  • DavidReagan posted at 3:01 pm on Thu, May 17, 2012.

    DavidReagan Posts: 4

    This is an easy fix folks... donate or sale the land for the sign to the church. Let the church do the up-keep on the sign (s) instead of the city. The City don't have a sign anymore -- problem goes away. The local people get to keep the bible verse and if anybody down the road complains, tell them it belongs to the church the city can't do anything about it. We the town are out of the sign business! If the sign reads Islamic verses, I sure the table's would turn. It would be best for the City to get out of the sign business.

     
  • Bear54 posted at 1:09 pm on Thu, May 17, 2012.

    Bear54 Posts: 9

    Oh My Goodness.... standginupforright, this Country was NOT founded as a christian nation......! If you really believe that I'm sure you'll be able to point out were your getting that....

     
  • Shamrock posted at 12:20 pm on Thu, May 17, 2012.

    Shamrock Posts: 27

    standingupforright, here is where much of the Christian revisionist misconceptions are coming from.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Barton_(author)

     
  • Equalrights posted at 11:43 am on Thu, May 17, 2012.

    Equalrights Posts: 11

    standginupforright There has been a lot of evidence posted that this was not founded as a Christian nation so I'm not repeating it. I'd come closer to believing this was founded as a Diest country than a Christian one and there is a huge difference between the two.
    Here is some reading material for everyone.
    http://www.britannica.com/blogs/2007/02/the-us-founding-fathers-their-religious-beliefs/

     
  • standginupforright posted at 10:50 am on Thu, May 17, 2012.

    standginupforright Posts: 1

    It is very unfortunate and sad that we have forgotten that our founding fathers founded this country on Christian beliefs and how much God has blessed us.
    Matthew 10:33 says "But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." How can we dare think that we can sit back, allow God to be taken out of everything, and expect this country to thrive. I love my God and will not hesitate to say that we can't continue to allow His denial. I hope that Christians in Sylvania take a stand.

     
  • nightwng2000 posted at 9:52 am on Thu, May 17, 2012.

    nightwng2000 Posts: 1

    It doesn't happen often in comments, but I'd like to give props to the article author(s). Very well written and neutral from my perspective. Sometimes articles can be read that are even ever so slightly bent one way or the other, even just by "feel". This one was very balanced and informative. Sadly, most major news outlets wouldn't have such articles directly. But, hopefully, if such news outlets DO report this story, they use THIS article as a credited source. Good job!

     
  • Shamrock posted at 5:56 am on Thu, May 17, 2012.

    Shamrock Posts: 27

    Seems to me there are some politicians on the local and state level who are stirring up the people of Sylvania and attempting to use this issue for their own personal political gain. First the illegal signs then the town council may have broken state laws in deciding to pursue this issue without holding public meetings. What other laws are these politicians willing to break for their own personal political gain? Sad, the good people of Sylvania will be the losers in the end.
    http://times-journal.com/opinion/article_90db8c00-9fa2-11e1-98f5-001a4bcf887a.html?_dc=41530909645

     
  • Bear54 posted at 9:51 pm on Wed, May 16, 2012.

    Bear54 Posts: 9

    Idiots....... smh

     
  • fortifiedknowledge posted at 8:23 pm on Wed, May 16, 2012.

    fortifiedknowledge Posts: 25

    I can't wait to see Sylvania lose everything they have for trying to stand up for themselves in a win-less situation. Where's my popcorn!!!

     
  • olaura posted at 7:53 pm on Wed, May 16, 2012.

    olaura Posts: 8

    Sylvania has 3 options in this:
    1) Fight this in the courts and loose

    2) Add quotes of scripture to the sign from other religions; hindu, muslim, etc to make it fair reprensentation

    or
    3) just take the scripture off the town sign

    Private citizens are more than free to put signs in thier own yards/property, as it is private property, not government.

     
  • Mr_T_Bird posted at 5:26 pm on Wed, May 16, 2012.

    Mr_T_Bird Posts: 106

    The court battle is coming and there is no hope that Sylvania can win it is a cut and dry case I mean seriously it's a plain as the nose on ones face. I can't see why they are risking having to spend a LOT of money on this knowing it's a loosing battle. As for Moore the man is a sham someone that was ordered to do something by a Federal Judge, refused to do it and it cost him his seat on the Alabama Supreme Court. Moore contends that federal judges who ruled against his actions consider "obedience of a court order superior to all other concerns, even the suppression of belief in the sovereignty of god." and the judge who ruled against Moore is absolutely correct. I wouldn't want Moore anywhere around me and he will cost Sylvania a lot of money when this thing goes to court.

     

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